Berkleemusic instructor Pat Pattison talks about the relationship between lyric phrases and melodic phrases: another aspect of preserving the natural shape of the language.
yeah because the … yeah because the charts arent dominated by stuff like that and havent been since the major boom of great songwriters we’ve hit since the 70s that just seems endless.
leave behind a … leave behind a trail to paint your picture in the sky/ they’ll never take away your dream to fly ??
right there, the artist only has ONE picture to paint, instead of multiple accomplishments.
i have a clever lyric
leave behind some trails to reveal your pictures in the sky/
they’ll never confiscate your dreams, so fly
this way you get away from cliche phrasing and the lyrics issue more belief to the listeners.
as you can see, there’s more ambition and expectation established
Although I think … Although I think all of these concepts are very important one thing many scholars make the mistake of doing is giving up musical freedom for strict structure. They are really just general guidelines that can easily be broken. Famous writers such as Dylan and Lennon were well known for breaking intentionally going outside orthodoxy. That isn’t to say in general these rules aren’t useful.
this is good advice … this is good advice, but it’s also stuff that any aspiring musician should ALREADY KNOW INTUITIVELY. if you yourself can’t pick up on these things by this point, you really stand little chance in the music industry… and those painfully painfully cliched lyrics (darkness, light, flying, broken wings)… plz, if u can’t be more creative, team up with somebody who can. no disrespect, but in a world where everybody wants to be a rockstar, only the strongest and smartest survive.
Genius advice. I … Genius advice. I agreed with him about the difference between the melodic and the lyric phrases, but I figured a re-write was the only solution. Then, he changed “of” to “all” and boom, done.
Oh, and I’m really glad that she was on the hotseat and not me!
I think its too … I think its too much thinking about what to sing .when you cry you don’t think about it or when you feel joy you don’t think all day about it , just let it come out man.
Enjoyed this… as … Enjoyed this… as a songwriter, i feel it was Very Well Done… looking forward to checking out more of this sites material… Mike Gibbowr
thank you … thank you carstenneugebauer for putting it so deftly,
cant thank you people in charge of these Berklee vids enough,
you sure make the world a better place.
great lesson, a … great lesson, a real wealth of invaluable information which is very hard to come across, other than having the real pros generously hand it over to you. all aspiring songwriters should take this lesson to heart and incorporate it into their process of polishing their songs. it can really make all the difference, both for your performance and in return for the audience. thanks to the great guys at berklee for sharing this in the free domain, much appreciated.
At first I didn’t … At first I didn’t think that the changes really made a difference, because they kept working on sections at a time, but when it was all put together at the end it was like night and day. The changes made the song so much better.
Berkleemusic instructor Pat Pattison talks about the relationship between lyric phrases and melodic phrases: another aspect of preserving the natural shape of the language.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
excellent work!
excellent work!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
yeah because the …
yeah because the charts arent dominated by stuff like that and havent been since the major boom of great songwriters we’ve hit since the 70s that just seems endless.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
leave behind a …
leave behind a trail to paint your picture in the sky/ they’ll never take away your dream to fly ??
right there, the artist only has ONE picture to paint, instead of multiple accomplishments.
i have a clever lyric
leave behind some trails to reveal your pictures in the sky/
they’ll never confiscate your dreams, so fly
this way you get away from cliche phrasing and the lyrics issue more belief to the listeners.
as you can see, there’s more ambition and expectation established
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Although I think …
Although I think all of these concepts are very important one thing many scholars make the mistake of doing is giving up musical freedom for strict structure. They are really just general guidelines that can easily be broken. Famous writers such as Dylan and Lennon were well known for breaking intentionally going outside orthodoxy. That isn’t to say in general these rules aren’t useful.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Cool to hear …
Cool to hear someone teaching these concepts. He’s so right!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
i know lots of …
i know lots of bands who break his songwriting rules and still somehow have careers. in popular music too
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Beautiful change
Beautiful change
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
this is good advice …
this is good advice, but it’s also stuff that any aspiring musician should ALREADY KNOW INTUITIVELY. if you yourself can’t pick up on these things by this point, you really stand little chance in the music industry… and those painfully painfully cliched lyrics (darkness, light, flying, broken wings)… plz, if u can’t be more creative, team up with somebody who can. no disrespect, but in a world where everybody wants to be a rockstar, only the strongest and smartest survive.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
thanks
thanks
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Genius advice. I …
Genius advice. I agreed with him about the difference between the melodic and the lyric phrases, but I figured a re-write was the only solution. Then, he changed “of” to “all” and boom, done.
Oh, and I’m really glad that she was on the hotseat and not me!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
he’d attack your …
he’d attack your grammar first
*were
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I think its too …
I think its too much thinking about what to sing .when you cry you don’t think about it or when you feel joy you don’t think all day about it , just let it come out man.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Enjoyed this… as …
Enjoyed this… as a songwriter, i feel it was Very Well Done… looking forward to checking out more of this sites material… Mike Gibbowr
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
thank you …
thank you carstenneugebauer for putting it so deftly,
cant thank you people in charge of these Berklee vids enough,
you sure make the world a better place.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Man i wish this guy …
Man i wish this guy was my teacher!!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Brilliant, would be …
Brilliant, would be a great producer, if he’s not already.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
that man is a genius
that man is a genius
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
This guy is awesome …
This guy is awesome!!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
great lesson, a …
great lesson, a real wealth of invaluable information which is very hard to come across, other than having the real pros generously hand it over to you. all aspiring songwriters should take this lesson to heart and incorporate it into their process of polishing their songs. it can really make all the difference, both for your performance and in return for the audience. thanks to the great guys at berklee for sharing this in the free domain, much appreciated.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
cooll, small …
cooll, small changes go a long way!
before: very hot girl ,draggy song
after: very hot girl,less draggy song
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
she’s good…and …
she’s good…and cute too =)
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
At first I didn’t …
At first I didn’t think that the changes really made a difference, because they kept working on sections at a time, but when it was all put together at the end it was like night and day. The changes made the song so much better.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
that’s what i said! …
that’s what i said!! i think i found her on twitter but she’s never on.
Allison, hook us up!!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I’m a fan of …
I’m a fan of Allison Rapetti now!!
Cant find her myspace .. really want to listen to a good recording of “amelia” .. links anyone??
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
id bet, but im not …
id bet, but im not sure